tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9257033.post115560898160021369..comments2024-03-09T01:23:47.536-07:00Comments on * no two are alike *: coming soon(ish)...Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17198310727349521010noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9257033.post-1155962316384693782006-08-18T22:38:00.000-06:002006-08-18T22:38:00.000-06:00Well, within one part of speech, it was traditiona...Well, within one part of speech, it was traditionally the case (and still is with some dictionaries, like the <I>OED</I>) that the first definition was the oldest meaning, historically speaking. These days (only within the past couple of decades), most modern dictionaries put the most common meaning first.<BR/><BR/>As for which parts of speech to put first, I'm not 100% sure about that. My own decision is to put the most common part of speech, in my judgment, first. That said, I wouldn't put <I>ski</I> (noun) in between <I>ski</I> (intransitive verb) and <I>ski</I> (transitive verb) just because I thought it was more common than one but less common than the other; my instinct would be to keep the parts of speech segregated. I also won't deny that my knowledge and intuitions about word history play some role; in the preceding example I'd be likely to put the noun before the verb because I happen to know that <I>ski</I> was borrowed into English from Norwegian as a noun.<BR/><BR/>As I read more about lexicography, the more I'm finding there are no hard-and-fast rules, just traditions...<BR/><BR/>I'm psyched to see you're reading the blog, LIz... hope all's well.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17198310727349521010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9257033.post-1155953163392478352006-08-18T20:06:00.000-06:002006-08-18T20:06:00.000-06:00This is like Pulju's History of Linguistics class ...This is like Pulju's History of Linguistics class in action! Amazing, Carl.<BR/><BR/>I was just curious about something more in terms of format; when you have multiple definitions of a term (e.g., angulation), how do you determine which is listed first? Is the most common use listed first (e.g., the intransitive) or do they always go in a certain order?<BR/><BR/>I'm so impressed that you use your free time to practice lexcography. Keep up the good work, team.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9257033.post-1155763969335893102006-08-16T15:32:00.000-06:002006-08-16T15:32:00.000-06:00Based on the print sources you've listed and your ...Based on the print sources you've listed and your comments above with regard to "huck", you seem to be leaning towards a ski-racing-specific definition of "in the wild"; I think that the distinction between tipping and angulation is well-accepted within that community (and I'd expect the words to be used consistently with that understanding in most of those print sources), although I certainly agree that the general skiing public doesn't get the distinction.<BR/><BR/>Of course, that's largely conjecture on my part, whereas you get to actually research it. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9257033.post-1155696921046752422006-08-15T20:55:00.000-06:002006-08-15T20:55:00.000-06:00Great recommendation on Witherall's books... I had...Great recommendation on Witherall's books... I hadn't thought about those. Just ordered them used from Amazon for like $2 each.<BR/><BR/>>Perhaps in a more general sense, tipping is a form of angulation, but when discussing technique it has a specific meaning distinct from tipping or inclination.<BR/><BR/>This is a good way to put it. One of the problems a lexicographer faces is whether to define certain words as they are actually used by real people "in the wild" or to define them the way an authority in the relevant technical field (i.e., here, a ski coach) would prefer they be defined. Usually, professional lexicographers tend to go with the former. Many skiers, upon watching someone tipping in but producing outrageous angles with the skis, would say, "Man, that's a lot of angulation!" As a lexicographer I want to write a definition that includes such uses, since they exist out there "in the wild," even though certain authorities on ski technique might disapprove.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17198310727349521010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9257033.post-1155690575623178332006-08-15T19:09:00.000-06:002006-08-15T19:09:00.000-06:00Carl,I'd still argue that tipping and angulation a...Carl,<BR/><BR/>I'd still argue that tipping and angulation are distinct methods of putting a ski on edge. If you don't distinguish between the two, how do you discuss their applicability to different situations and/or the increased usage of leaning at the World Cup level in the past ten years or so?<BR/><BR/>From my coaching clinic materials (received in March of 2002 at a USSCA Club Coach / Level I On-Snow Clinic):<BR/><I><B>Angulation</B> -- Creating lateral angles in the lower body for balance on the ski edge. This can occur with the ankle, knee, hip, or a combination.<BR/><BR/><B>Inclination</B> -- A tilting of the entire body to create lateral angles. It provides a stronger body position to react to forces than angulation, but also requires more body movement so it involves more movement time.</I><BR/><BR/>Perhaps in a more general sense, tipping <EM>is</EM> a form of angulation, but when discussing technique it has a specific meaning distinct from tipping or inclination.<BR/><BR/>Hmm...now that I think about it, you should probably include <A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/s/002-2882193-9530437?ie=UTF8&index=books&rank=-relevance%2C%2Bavailability%2C-daterank&field-author-exact=Warren%20Witherell" REL="nofollow">both of Witherall's books</A> on your reading list if you haven't already; particularly with regard to describing the mechanics of skiing, they are damn near definitive texts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9257033.post-1155672488955490592006-08-15T14:08:00.000-06:002006-08-15T14:08:00.000-06:00Richie, I haven't included "huck" because it's not...Richie, I haven't included "huck" because it's not specifically a ski racing word and isn't used much in that community. If I ever expand the dictionary to include more general skiing terms, it will certainly be in there.<BR/><BR/>Incidentally, "huck" in this sense makes its first dictionary appearance (as far as I'm aware) in Grant Barrett's awesome recent work, <I>The Official Dictionary of Unofficial English</I>. You can read his entry for it on his website, <A HREF="http://www.doubletongued.org/index.php/dictionary/huck/" REL="nofollow">The Double-Tongued Word Wrester</A>.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17198310727349521010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9257033.post-1155664309412655712006-08-15T11:51:00.000-06:002006-08-15T11:51:00.000-06:00Sparty, that's a good point about the rec.skiing.a...Sparty, that's a good point about the rec.skiing.alpine post. I included it for that second use of "angulate," although you're probably right that I shouldn't include the part of the citation that misuses "angulation."<BR/><BR/>I would argue that "tipping" IS a means of creating angulation — just not one endorsed by ski coaches.<BR/><BR/>Thanks in particular for the link... I'm always looking for more sources of citations.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17198310727349521010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9257033.post-1155663798910914972006-08-15T11:43:00.000-06:002006-08-15T11:43:00.000-06:00Glad to see you're keeping busy! Maybe an indie ro...Glad to see you're keeping busy! Maybe an indie rock scenester dictionary should be next!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9257033.post-1155649485594242532006-08-15T07:44:00.000-06:002006-08-15T07:44:00.000-06:00That first rec.skiing.alpine post is actually a mi...That first rec.skiing.alpine post is actually a misuse of <I>angulation</I>; it matches neither your definition nor my conception of the word (which is based on USSA-promulgated coaching materials, among other sources). Adjusting the angle of the bootsole to the ski by means of canting is an equipment adjustment to improve static alignment, whereas angulation is an active movement by the body.<BR/><BR/>(confusingly, the use of <I>angulate</I> later in the same quotation is arguably correct, although it fails to distinguish between leaning and angulation, both of which can be used to put a ski on edge.)<BR/><BR/>On that, note, I'd suggest that you should strongly consider some reference to the distinction between tipping or leaning and angulation in the definition, as said difference is critical to the meaning of angulation as commonly used. The difference is implied in your definition (as bending sideways at one or more joints, particularly to separate the angle of the upper body from that of the lower body, is the distinction between angulation and leaning).<BR/><BR/>I'd also suggest the <A HREF="http://list.uvm.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A0=skivt-l&D=1" REL="nofollow">skivt-l archives</A> as a useful source of material.<BR/><BR/>Sounds like a cool project, though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9257033.post-1155643906186192142006-08-15T06:11:00.000-06:002006-08-15T06:11:00.000-06:00Ooh! Be sure to include the word "huck," as in "hu...Ooh! Be sure to include the word "huck," as in "huck yourself huge," which means to go big and catch massive air.<BR/><BR/>Example: The Heavenly Huckfest<BR/><BR/>http://www.tahoeinfo.com/chamber/eventsarchive/april_01.html<BR/><BR/>in terms of the origins of the word, i think it may have been borrowed from skateboarding, but i could be totally wrong.Richie Jayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15521567254166903594noreply@blogger.com